2002 Foster's Belgian Grand Prix

[Mario]

Originally posted by Maarten


ge gaat naar de parking/camping aan den bruxelles
niet langs de officiële ingang/poort, maar ze hebben daar een paar jaar geleden het bos afgekapt
ga juist nadat je kan afslaan om de wei naar beneden te gaan (uitkomend op stavelot, na de pif paf) links op de plaats waar het bos is weggekapt, ga dan richting bruxelles, evenwijdig met het baantje weliswaar door het braakliggend gedeelte, tot tegen de muur, daar is er nog ergens een gat in die muur, of beter gezegd de muur is daar maar één meter hoog, als ze daar nog geen draad hebben gezet kan je daar makkelijk over! en als ze u tegenhouden, kan je nog altijd zeggen dat je hout aan het zoeken bent voor het kampvuur.

wanneer je over de muur bent kan je naar rechts en dan kom je aan de bruxelles uit, als je naar links gaat dan kom je aan de pifpaf, of uit denk ik en dan kan je de binnenkant van de dubbele linkse nemen. oppassen als het geregend heeft want dan is het daar redelijk moerassig!

geen dank, weer wat geld bespaard ...

Je zou hier wel eens last mee kunnen krijgen, gezien de wind die hier soms waait (nog eens bedankt voor je antwoord op m'n mail hé. Diegene die ik bedoel weet wel dat het voor hem/haar bestemd is).

[JPMontoya]

Voor vrijdag : ik heb dus ook een kaart voor vrijdag , als iemand zin heeft kan die met mij vrijdag gaan (wel tg een kleine vergoeding) en dan zit je dus op GOld 1 ; dan zal je wel mij een lift tot ginder moeten geven , want kan nog niet autorijden

[JPMontoya]

Eau Rouge: Fantasy or nightmare?

The Belgian circuit of Spa-Francorchamps is one of the truly original, characteristic, and testing circuits on the Formula 1 calendar. Set high up in the Eiffel Mountains, where weather conditions can change by the hour, the undulating circuit offers one of motorsports most difficult corners - Eau Rouge.


HOW IT LOOKS TO A DRIVER - RENAULT'S JENSON BUTTON





I will approach at 300 kph in 6th and will still be accelerating through the first part, as it is flat at around 305 kph. The right-hand part is the one everybody wants to take flat, but even in qualifying last year, this was not quite possible and I will probably lift to around 60% throttle and therefore lose a couple of kph. Nevertheless, I will be pulling about 4.7g through this corner.



Eau Rouge is a technically difficult corner, pulling the driver from side to side under enormous amounts of speed and sideways G-force. Only a handful of drivers tend to take it flat out over a grand prix weekend - and Juan Pablo Montoya is one of them. "Spa is definitely one of my favourite tracks," he said. "Of course Eau Rouge is a true test! I did take it flat three or four times last year."


However, taking Eau Rouge flat out means that the car has to avoid bottoming

out on the first left hander and for this the car has to be set higher then normal - set-up that ultimately causes the driver to lose time over the remainder of the lap. "In order to be quick around the whole lap, it's impossible to take Eau Rouge flat," says Toyota's Mika Salo. "To stop the car from bottoming out at the foot of Eau Rouge, you have to raise the ride- height, which would make the car less efficient around the rest of the lap."



Willy Rampf, Sauber's Technical Director, believes that if the car is perfect then only the best drivers can get it right. "It is the most demanding corner in racing and requires complete commitment from the driver, and perfect behavior from the car," he said. "The problem it poses is not just the fact that it is taken flat-out in top gear by the best drivers, but that the car bottoms out as it reaches the lowest part of the corner."


There are however some drivers who simply don't rate it - such as Williams'

Ralf Schumacher. "The once popular Eau Rouge corner has lost a bit of its glamour," he said. "Today you can drive it without any concern, as the cars remain stable. There are certainly other corners in F1 that raise my heartbeat higher."



Eau Rouge has certainly seen its fair share of accidents over the years and last years terrifying accident involving Prost's Luciano Burti is certainly one of the most memorable. The Brazilian clipped the Jaguar of Eddie Irvine on the exit of the final corner, forcing his front wing under the front of the car which consequently disabling his steering abilities. The car ploughed across the grass at a speed of about 300kmh before ploughing into the tyre wall.


Irvine, who also left the track in a series of spins, was able to reach the scene

rapidly and began burrowing into the tyres in an attempt to locate the buried Burti. The race was stopped and several minutes passed before the destroyed chassis was pulled from the tyre wall - Burti remained motionless for a while longer before spending several days in hospital with neck injuries. He has never raced since and is now a test driver with Ferrari.


Professionally speaking, Eau Rouge is a corner that shouldn't be taken flat out,

but if you are a driver with ambition, then keeping you foot to the floorboards remains a high priority.

EUROSPORT.COM

[Oneliner]

Originally posted by Maarten


oppassen als het geregend heeft want dan is het daar redelijk moerassig!

Dat het daar moerassig is kunnen er hier enkele van meespreken

De goeien ouwe tijd...

[JPMontoya]

idd moerassig , t ergste was wel 1998 , toen wast feitelijk ni te doen , ik zat op de graskant , en moest mij alle 10minuten terug ophoog hijsen

[JPMontoya]

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/BEXX0031_f.html
-> misschien kan Stipey wat meer uitleg geven

[moore]

ik zal wel aan de tv moeten kijken zeker, misschien heb ik nog kaarten voor te gan maar dat is helemaal nog niet zeker, dus ik kan vandaag enkel maar hopen op een goed telefoontje

[DJ Scorpio]

Originally posted by JPMontoya
Eau Rouge: Fantasy or nightmare?

The Belgian circuit of Spa-Francorchamps is one of the truly original, characteristic, and testing circuits on the Formula 1 calendar. Set high up in the Eiffel Mountains, where weather conditions can change by the hour, the undulating circuit offers one of motorsports most difficult corners - Eau Rouge.
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WOOHOO wij staan daar met onze ploeg te vlaggen

[Stipey]

Originally posted by JPMontoya
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/BEXX0031_f.html
-> misschien kan Stipey wat meer uitleg geven

Er valt momenteel weinig te zeggen :-)

De atmosfeer stabiliseert zich en er komt een leuk hogedrukgebied aan... de kans op regen lijkt momenteel wel erg klein. Goed nieuws dus voor de toeschouwers ter plekke (en de toekomst van het circuit?), minder goed nieuws voor de tv-kijkers thuis... Alhoewel we weten dat een droge race op Spa allesbehalve saai hoeft te zijn, een auto op de eau rouge zien gaan verveelt immers nooit :-)

Het is echter pas dinsdag dus er kan nog veel veranderen. Een volledig droog F1-weekend (van vrijdag tot zondag) lijkt me statistisch gezien overigens uitgesloten in Francorchamps :-) Maar we zullen dus zien, voorlopig kan je je paraplu thuislaten. (alhoewel dat een goed wapen is tegen zatte Duitsers)

[Finish]

danku Sabine 'Stipey' Haagdoren

Ralf Schumacher. "The once popular Eau Rouge corner has lost a bit of its glamour," he said. "Today you can drive it without any concern, as the cars remain stable. There are certainly other corners in F1 that raise my heartbeat higher."

en enkele jaren terug vond Eddie Irvine er 'geen bal aan'.
Heeft die Eau Rouge idd niet wat spektakel verloren ? Die asfaltering die daar vorig jaar werd gelegd, kunnen de coureurs daar niet handig gebruik van maken ?

[Stipey]

De auto's zijn natuurlijk ook beter geworden, en ik kan me nog steeds niet van de indruk ontdoen dat eau rouge - in vergelijking met enkele jaren terug - een beetje rechtgetrokken is... alhoewel dat ongetwijfeld gezichtsbedrog is.

Je kan inderdaad makkelijk rechtdoor gaan over de asfalt, maar dat is net de bedoeling... bij een fout vroeger had je de keuze tussen de grindbak (en tot stilstand komen op gevaarlijke plek of je wagen vol gravel?) of je kon de auto nog recht proberen te krijgen met als gevaar dat je zou spinnen en keihard crashen in Raidillion...

Die strook asfalt mag daar dus liggen, maar dan moet de organisatie daar strenger op gaan letten... Overschrijden van die witte lijn met meer dan de helft van je wagen is meteen penalty ofzo, alhoewel dat dan weer de spanning in de race kan verknoeien...

Verder is Ralf gewoon een onnozelaar, ik kreeg al schrik toen ik de eerste keer Blanchimont nam aan 90 per uur :-) ...en nog meer schrik toen ik met m'n vader aan 50-60 per uur over de eau rouge ging in een ver verleden (kon toen nog niet rijden en de laatste jaren is eau rouge steeds afgesloten in de winter )

[Alain]

Eau Rouge has certainly seen its fair share of accidents over the years and last years terrifying accident involving Prost's Luciano Burti is certainly one of the most memorable.

Ik denk dat ze bij Eurosport het circuit niet goed bestudeerd hebben. Burti ging er namelijk bij Blanchimont uit...

[JPMontoya]

Villeneuve :

“Spa is a great race! I love the track. I've got memories of big crashes at Spa and actually I've never had a good race there but I have had good qualifying. It's definitely a track where you can feel stronger than the rest if you go through the corners flat. It's one of the last high speed circuits that we have and it's a very long lap but you really feel like you're going somewhere. It's got a good rhythm and it follows the layout of the land. You turn because there's a mountain so there's a reason for the layout.”




”It's not like most modern tracks, which are like

parking lots that you put cones around to create as many corners as you can with no logic or rhythm. This one has both. It's like you're driving to your house in the mountains! You start with short acceleration into heavy braking for the La Source hairpin. There's a good overtaking opportunity here but it's not a very important corner otherwise. Strong acceleration downhill and you get into Eau Rouge, which is probably the most exciting corner in modern F1.”

F1-live.com
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Quote van villeneuve ; dat is pas reclame sé

[JPMontoya]

Latest : Saviour found, Arrows at Spa

Arrows headed for the Belgian Grand Prix on Wednesday after a mystery American investor agreed to keep the financially struggling Formula One team on the road.

quick access :

"Arrows Grand Prix International announced today that the team has been

sent to Spa," a team statement said. "Heads of Agreement have been signed regarding the purchase of the team by an American investor. We hope for the deal to be completed by Friday."


An Arrows spokeswoman, travelling to Belgium, could not provide further

details of the purchaser or say whether former British American Racing (BAR) principal and shareholder Craig Pollock was involved.



Pollock, who is also manager to Canadian Jacques Villeneuve, has said he has backing from two California-based businessmen and has been in talks with the British-based team for some time.


Arrows had been unable to bring new investors into the

team since a London High Court injunction from major shareholders Morgan Grenfell Private Equity in July barred the sale of key assets without Morgan Grenfell's consent.


The team did not turn up at the last Hungarian Grand Prix, declaring force

majeure or circumstances beyond their control, as a reason.



They have also struggled at other rounds of the championship and attended the French Grand Prix without competing in the race after missing free practice and deliberately failing to qualify.


PROBLEMS AHEAD


In Britain last month, team boss Tom Walkinshaw had to dip into his own



pockets at the last moment to pay for the Cosworth engines for the race.



The deadline for teams to present their cars for scrutineering at Spa-Francorchamps is on Thursday afternoon and Arrows could still have several obstacles to overcome before they can race.


Jaguar team boss Niki Lauda, who oversees Ford-owned

Cosworth, said in Hungary that Arrows had not paid for their engines for that race. The deadline for payment for Spa was Wednesday noon.


Arrows also have only one driver at present, Brazilian Enrique Bernoldi, after

Germany's Heinz-Harald Frentzen was released. He is joining Sauber in 2003.



Spokeswoman Lindsay Morle said Arrows would have two drivers in Spa but details had still to be finalised.


Arrows are also due to face further legal action in

London next month and it was not clear how the change of ownership might affect that.


Huub Rothengatter, manager to former Arrows driver Jos Verstappen,

confirmed on Wednesday that the Dutchman had joined forces with "another party" in seeking to wind up the team to secure money owing. That hearing is scheduled for September 10.



He told Reuters that Arrows owed Verstappen, sacked abruptly a month before the start of the season despite having a contract for 2002, a 'substantial' amount.


Arrows are last in the standings with two points and

could also still face a sanction for missing the Hungarian race.

EUROSPORT.COM
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wie zou er voor arrows rijden , wie O wie ?

[Bart.Vandecavey]

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